Episode #33 – Terry Gordy vs Jim Duggan UWF 1986

Dre and Black Cat review this UWF title match between Terry Gordy and Jim Duggan from August 3, 1986, two tough dudes that just pound on each other for a good 15 minutes, discuss Black Cat’s love for the UWF belt, more Gorilla-isms,and reveal the Old School Wrestling Podcast Board of Directors.

This episode has been archived in the Season 1 digital box set available for $9.99 at the OSWP Merch Store!


  1. Jimmy Dugan from A League of Their Own doesn’t care for your comment on how to pronounce his name, Dre.

    Jook, when you first asked Dre what the 4 UWF champions had in common, I figured what they had in common was they were all dead. 3 out of 4 though. Gang’s still with us as I write this.

    Dre, I appreciate you recognizing where you’re from instead of kayfabing it like a couple shows ago 🙂

    I liked Dre’s explanation of why Jim Ross always mentioned a wrestler’s accedemic and football backgrounds. The explanation I always heard was Ross was trying to explain things in a way a new fan would understand. Most new wrestling fans knew football, so Ross used football analogies to explain wrestling.

    Hacksaw Duggan as a heel there at the end? Very interesting, especially when not forced like when he was in Team Canada. Then Dick Murdoch as a babyface plugging a welding school? Great finds!

  2. Rusty Brooks Biggest Fans says:

    Guys, I am around the same age as you guys, and I am actually from the South. So yes, I was an actual “southern wrestling fan”. I know you guys like to rag on “southern wrestling” crowds.. the burn victim, the lady in the Garfield t-shirt. But let me tell you, seeing these people on YouTube clips is one thing, but actually sitting in the crowd with them is another. I know you guys like to make fun of them on your podcast, but let me tell ya.. there was nothing like sitting 3 feet away from them and making fun of them in person. We only got caught once. We were ragging on this guy in Atlanta once at a WCW show, he had on cut off shorts (so short in fact, you could see a fleshy substance that I was about 90% sure was his testicles hanging out), a permed mullet, and a tank top (with 1 nipple hanging out). I dont know if he was mad because he realized we were making fun of him, but I was quite sure he was mad when my frind yelled out, “NIKITA IS REALLY FROM MINNESOTA”.

    1) a satin baseball jacket
    2) a trucker hat
    3) a tank top
    4) a hunting vest
    5) form fitting Wranglers or Levis
    6) a sweat band

    • Rusty Brooks Biggest Fans says:

      Oh sorry, the list above was supposed to be the top 7 things, I am proud to say I never wore to a wrestling. Match. 7 was supposed to be over sized sun glasses.

      Ah, the good ol’ days. I am in my late 30s, married with kids now, and am quite happy, but sometimes id love to go back and be young again and go to more southern wrestling shows.

    • Black Cat says:

      I’ll reply in more detail later but I want to clarify that in no way do I think negatively of “The South” (or Texas, as Dre likes to call it) as my entire family comes from there. In all seriousness I think wrestling from that part of the country and their fans are superior to all other wrestling and wrestling fans.

      • Rusty Brooks Biggest Fan says:

        Black Cat, let me go ahead and say this in all fairness.. I was probably among the first generation of southern wrestling fans who stopped fitting the stereotypical image we all have of southern wrestling fans in the 70s and 80s. I doubt me and my friends were much different than kids our age up north (sans our accent, perhaps). It was more people my parents age who I remember being like the Garfield lady, or the burn victim, or the perm mullet guy from the WCW show in the late 80s.

        I love you guys show, and find myself laughing hysterically at times. And you know, oddly enough, as a kid in the Deep South, I remember being totally fascinated with WWF wrestling in the 80s (Prime Time, All American Wrestling, TNT, etc). I thought it would be so cool to be at an MSG show with all the Italians and Puerto Ricans, watching Roddy Piper, Paul Orndorf, JYD, Hogan, John Studd, etc. go at it live. But… I was from the South, so my memories are from smokey, poorly lit areans watching Dusty Rhodes, The Freebirds, Sting, The Koloffs, Rock N Roll Exp. etc. I think we can both appreciate all old school wrestling equally though.

        Oh, yeah.. and like you guys, I rememebr watching AWA on ESPN as well from the Showboat in Las Vegas. Blah.

        • Black Cat says:

          – i don’t think your progressive generation ever reached certain parts of louisiana from my experiences.

          – i think awa from las vegas seemed weird to everyone watching, no matter what part of the country you were from.

          – was nikita koloff from minnesota or north carolina? maybe he just lived in NC later on.

    • Dre says:

      I believe the Hardcore Badass has worn all of those things at the same time to a wrestling show.

    • Black Cat says:

      ok, to further clarify: the burn-victim and the garfield lady could’ve been in san francisco for all i care, it was funny.

      testicles hanging out could only happen in atlanta, though.

      i’m not sure if the “ironic hipster” has made its way down south, but you’re description fits this modern personality type perfectly and working on a college campus i see them all the time.

      • Rusty Brooks Biggest Fan says:

        Sure, the ironic hipster has sadly found his way to
        Dixieland. The ironic hipster can typically be identified by the
        following criteria: 1) trucker hat 2) unmaintained facial hair 3)
        western wear shirts with snap buttons 4) form fitting jeans 5)
        satchel/man purse 6) Starbucks in hand by day 7) PBR in hand by
        night But we are talking about late 80s here (re: the testicle guy
        in Atlanta). Nowadays that gentleman would simply be referred to as
        a “redneck”. However, I must disagree on one of your earlier
        points, Ive been everywhere from San Fran. to Portland Maine, and
        have never seen anyone closely resembling the burn victim or the
        Garfield lady outside the South. Sorry. No, we are not all rednecks
        here, but many of us are.

  3. I can confirm that I’ve worn each of the 7 items listed
    either at or on a wrestling show in my life time. I never at any
    point wore all 7 at the same time, but now you’ve given me a new
    goal to strive for.

  4. Disco Stu says:

    Ha ha the black cat was a slave to wait for it….. Keep
    waiting….ready ok here goes….Tele Cable

    • Black Cat says:

      Disco Stu with the BloNo cable station history! If anyone would know that, it’d be you, brother. I have fond memories of the brown box and remote.

  5. Dean says:

    I don’t know what deal was really made, but I do know that
    Verne Gagne’s AWA was used for that wrestling show. Russel Mulcahy
    sought out the venue for filming possibility. He though the match
    footage would help emphasize the big combat nature of

    • Black Cat says:

      Are you responding to Dre’s Freebirds WWF claim? I did find a random WWF Freebird youtube clip so apparently they were there briefly.

  6. Dean Stahl says:

    I also have to say how much I loved when Gorilla would say
    “He was dropped right on his external occipital protuberance. Or
    back of the head in Layman’s terms!” and Jesse Ventura would fire
    right back with “Back of the head in MY terms, Monsoon!”

    • Black Cat says:

      I sometimes enjoyed Gorilla’s commentary but would often find it distracting. Also could be my NWA bias.

  7. Great episode. Brought back a lot of memories. I used to
    follow Bill Watts’ Mid-South/UWF territory through PWI. It was by
    far my favourite territory that I read about. I’ve since been able
    to watch many of matches I would read about thanks to YouTube. As
    for the Freebirds in the WWF, here is an interview they conducted
    with Billy Red Lyons on Maple Leaf Wrestling in 1984:

    • Black Cat says:

      I’m glad I wasn’t the only one fascinated by things in PWI I couldn’t see.

      Thanks for the Freebirds link. “Well we came in here to do business and do what we do well! And that’s beat somebody up and get paid! That’s what keeps us out of jail…” Great promo. Interesting to think about what wouldn’ve happened if they stuck around.

  8. Dre says:

    Who was that masked man? Speaking of PWI, has anyone else
    noticed that PWI today retails for about $10.99 ?!

    • Black Cat says:

      Good to know my podcast partner also looks at mark mags at the drugstore. First thing I did when the CVS was built a block from my office at work.

  9. I got my DVDR Mid-South set from Will today, I’m like a kid on Christmas morning. You know guys, these shows have got better and better as you’ve become more relaxed and really got into it. It’s a really enjoyable show.

    • Black Cat says:

      The Mid South comp set is great. I also got the Texas set, but I’d never seen most of the Mid South stuff unlike WCCW which I’ve seen a bunch of. I’m slowly working through it, but I love it.

      Thanks for the compliment – I’m finding myself getting more comfortable as we do it. I’m not normally comfortable speaking in public, so it’s actually been really good for me.