#100 – Montreal

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On the 100th episode of the Old School Wrestling Podcast we review the greatest wrestling documentary of all time, Wrestling With Shadows, and review the most controversial wrestling match of all time, Bret Hart versus Shawn Michaels, at Survivor Series 1997. We also announce our OSWP ROAD TRIP to WrestleMania 30 in New Orleans and listen to a number of voice mails from the OSWP family celebrating our 100th episode! And we are thrilled to announce the release of the Old School Wrestling Podcast: Season 2 box set! This box set features OSWP episodes 51-75, the amazing art of Dean Stahl, and two brand new episodes that will never be posted on the website with over four hours of new content. On our first bonus episodes we discuss the VERY FIRST NWA TNA Wrestling PPV from June 2002 and on the second bonus episodes we break down the 1992 PWI 500. There’s also a special bonus easter egg featuring a special visit from Stone Cold Dre Austin. All of this for only $9.99. Also available now is the David Crockett’s Thanksgiving Day OSWP poster. Visit flairchop.com for more information!

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15 Comments

  1. Crack buck says:

    Hey guys im Mac from Miami Fl, Listen to this. The Montrial Blowjob. Before the match Shawn Caught his Wife Giving Bret a Blowjob, so while in tears Like a Little Bitch, he Ran over to Vince’s Office & Told Vince “Lets Screw Bret. So Vince Liked the idea & Told Earl Hebner the Plan.

  2. holzhammer says:

    Congratulations!

    100 episodes, a fountain of misinformation (and mispronouncation),
    a lot if fun and whackyness – can you ask for more?

    Keep up the great work, guys!

  3. Drappstar says:

    Fun episode, and great to hear the voices of other members of the OSWP community.

    You know, I still can’t shake the feeling that a lot of the Montreal situation was a work. But the problem is that I just really want it to be. So much of wrestling now involves revealing insider info – this is one of the last cases in which we can’t be sure about what was real and what wasn’t. (Cue Keanu Reeves impression from every movie: “I don’t know what’s real and what’s not anymore…”) I mean, the recent WWE attempts at hiding real concussions by having wrestlers receive fake concussions during matches is a throwback of sorts to strategized kayfabe’ing. Maybe all of the Montreal Screwjob can be explained away. And the more I think about it, the more I love the idea that Bret Hart is essentially the world’s greatest mark who convinced himself that matches work the way they do because he would really hurt people too badly if he didn’t pull his punches. His slightest taps just knock muthafuckas out. Almost like he’s in a Twilight Zone episode thinking he’s the most powerful man in the universe, and when he finally figures out he’s been worked, he actually does unload on McMcMannequin. Shawn on this analysis is only crying because now that Bret knows the truth, Shawn realizes that nobody is innocent…NO ONE…

    Congratulations on 100 again BROTHER(s).

  4. SlingshotSuplex says:

    Congrats on the 100th episode, the five-star Ironman match of podcasting brilliance!

    I’ve never heard the theory that Vince may have never intended to honor Bret’s 20-year “lifetime” contract, but it sounds eerily familiar to the deal Vince cut to acquire Stampede Wrestling in 1984 by offering to pay Stu $100,000 a year for the next ten years. Vince got Stu’s valuable local TV slots and all his top talent (Bret, Davey, Dynamite). At some point, though, Vince informs Stu he won’t be making those $100k payments anymore, but on the bright side, the Harts could have their territory back. He had their TV and their stars, but you know, good luck. Vince made a habit out of partnering with various local figures during the expansion era, only to axe them out and have it all himself. He certainly wasn’t above “screwing Bret,” contractually speaking.

  5. D. Brewer says:

    Congratulations on the 100th episode

    This is with out a doubt my favorite documentary. You guys did a hell of a job breaking this down.

    Thanks, Daniel

  6. Great job on this episode guys!!! It took me approximately 6-7 sittings to get through it all, but it was totally worth it. I can’t pay attention to a half hour tv show most of the time, but I was glued to my headphones for this 4 hour podcast-o-mania.

    I haven’t even seen Wrestling With Shadows, but I feel like I have now. So much detail and explanation, you guys should submit this as a thesis for some kind of degree somewhere.

    I feel with the amount of times Black Cat referenced “the other documentary”, you should have just added that review into the pod. What’s another hour right?!

    I love Dre’s Stu Hart impression, and of course, the impression of everyone being called “Hart da Fart”.

    When this all went down, I was convinced Shawn had nothing to do with it. He did a great job right after the bell rang of looking pissed off. He was yelling and swearing, and looked more pissed than Bret did. It really looked like Shawn had somehow gotten screwed too. Apparently he’s just a really great worker. Who knew!

    I never knew the part of the story where Rude promised to have Bret’s back, and then Shawn and Hunter sent him on a wild goose chase to keep him away. That’s planning. But good on Rude for sticking up for Bret.

    It still amazes me that after all that, Bret came back. He said he always knew that the only reason he would come back would be for the Hall of Fame. And, he got Stu in, so I guess that’s something. Once Owen is in, the circle will be complete.

  7. Frankie S. says:

    Congrats on the 100th Episode Guys.

    thanks for all the work you put into it. i purposly went back and watched wrestling with shadows before i listened.
    it really is the greatest Wrestling Doc ever made.

    I always hated Shawn Michaels and i hated him even more after watching this on A & E, he may be the worst wrestler ever and it makes me sick that he was “chosen” the Top Wrestler in that rediculous WWE dvd.
    Triple H= Scumbag

    As for Brett Hart, i dont hate him, but he is Bleh to me. i think he is a little too into himself (see his house).
    best Hart? Owen!

    Sorry Dre but you have never seen Toronto win the stanley Cup, they last won it in 1967 and havent even been to the Finals since.

    guys i am looking forward to the next 100 episodes (Gary Hart /Kevin Sullivan Spectacular mega cast please!)

  8. Now that is how you commemorate a 100th episode. A truly outstanding show and the research and effort you guys put in is evident.

    Much like DLCP, it took me a few shifts to get through this but that was because I knew it would be good so I didn’t want to rush through it

    So much has been said and written about Montreal and it shows no sign of stopping, nor should it. I was and am 100% on Brets side in all of this but up until he admitted it, I always thought Shawn had nothing to do with it.

    Here’s an admission – when I first watched Wrestling with Shadows, I shed a couple of tears over the whole thing and this show brought it all back. No tears this time, instead, a whole load of laughs.

    I sought out the Survival of the Hitman documentary on Youtube. Definitely worth a watch. Not a lot of new info but very nicely done.

  9. Heck of an intro by DDP. I’d love to hear the story of how you got it.

    Looks like we’re still waiting for that Big Show tribute episode.

    The Unreal Story of Professional Wrestling might be the “other documentary” A&E was running around the same time as Wrestling With Shadows.

    Stu Hart impressions always make me smile.

    I don’t know why, but the part where Dre said “I think I just swallowed a bug” was really really funny.

    Do you think Blade Hart grew up thinking his parents were idiots for giving him that name? Far be it for me to make fun of anyone’s name, but come on.

  10. Butt Douglas says:

    Hey guys, already said it but I’ll say it again, CONGRATULATIONS! Heck of a milestone.

    I know he’s a polarizing figure, but Bret Hart was, is and always be my favorite. I’ve listened to many podcasts on the Montreal Screwjob, and only you guys did it justice. From the history, to the match itself, to the aftermath, just perfect. I would usually offer a goofy comment, but I can’t. I’m just that stupefied.

    To really understand the impact of this event, one has to be as big of a Bret Hart mark as possible (as I was). To get you to understand the emotion, here’s what I have to offer: Imagine that WWII was fought here, in America, but still had all the same American heights of patriotism (Roosevelt nightly talks, women in the workplace, comic book heroes bowing to the American soldier). Imagine it’s nearing the end of the War, we have the Axis powers on their knees. Now imagine our Allies, after getting together the night before, saying “actually, we really want your guys’ land for our colony again” and turning on America.

    The age of the hero died with Bret the Hitman Hart.

  11. cactus316 says:

    Finally finished this episode today. Great episode and subject. Loved the fact that you guys did so much research and enjoyed the breakdown of Shawn’s and Bret’s perspectives from their respective books. Keep up the good work guys. Oh, and I finally ordered the Season 1 box set.

  12. To be honest with you guys, #OSWP99 and #OSWP100, it’ll be hard to top that line-up, and I’m looking forward to see how you guys top the last hundred episodes.

    I really enjoyed you guys reviewing “Wrestling with Shadows” and putting in your review of the famous WWF Championship Screw Job at Survivor Series 1997, and adding Bret and Shawn’s memory of the event from their books.

    If you guys put in this much work for this huge episode, what would #OSWP125 be? Only 24 more episodes will tell, along with time.

    Thanks for all the work and time recording and editing the shows. Much appreciated. Makes time at work much easier and filled with boxes and laughter.

  13. Darrin says:

    Hi guys. Been listening since episode 1, but first time commenting. I just got done listening to this episode. Congratulations on making it this far. I wanted to make a couple of comments that I don’t know if they were mentioned in Episode 101. First, Bret and Shawn had a ladder match in 1992(two years prior to WrestleMania X). It was taped for Coliseum Home Video, titled “Smack Em, Whack Em” if memory serves, but was also on the first Ladder Match DVD set WWE put out a few years ago.

    Also, you guys talked a bit about the WCW All-Nighter special. I didn’t see the first one, but there actually was a second one. I believe it ran in January of 1995. Similar format with Tony Schiavone, Dusty Rhodes, Mean Gene, Bobby Heenan, Gordon Solie and Larry Zbysko at a hotel room counting down the top 10 Clash Of The Champions matches(with a few bonus matches and interviews included). I don’t know if it was as good as the first but it was damn entertaining, highlighted by Bobby Heenan falling asleep and Gene painting his face like a weasel, with Bobby waking up wondering why everyone was laughing.

  14. Tough as Nails says:

    Whew. I’m almost caught up. I can see the end. I was SURE that I would get to episode 98 or so and BAM…#99 and #100 would disappear as Box Set #3 was introduced (don’t worry, I’ll still buy the thing to support you guys).

    I was always on the “side” of McMahon and Michaels on this one. Hart was leaving…his “idea” was to win his final title match and then forfeit the title? That’s an awful, terrible, ridiculous idea if you are the WWF. Oh, the champ left and he never lost. Awesome. Where they made the mistake was not just having Hart lose 3 weeks before this. And that’s only a ‘mistake’ if you take the business part out of it. That’s easier, but it doesn’t make them more money. This was brilliant, made a ton of money and, as you said, changed everything. Now THAT’S a storyline.

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